Zy-El and Eastern Sun Melee Mayhem!

[JrEye]

If its not too late could throw my hat into the ring, albiet late lol, probably play ZyEl Pala when im not working on Wiki

EDIT: BTW saw restrictions on ZyEl Pala, It would seem to me that Holy Shock, Holy Fire, and Holy Freeze would not be allowed, at least Shock and Fire (Cant remember if freeze deals damage) as aura have a 40yd range and Shock and Fire will deal damage from afar and feel it would not fit into a melee tourney. Also any CtC restriction? I didnt see any

[Hans]

It is not too late to join.

It was deemed that the holy auras are considered melee.

There are no CtC restrictions since you have to hit the monsters up close for it to cast.

[JrEye]

works for me, PALY AWAY! lol
Played some today but have been working alot on Runeword pages

[maxmage]

UPDATE: i haven't had much sleep in the last few days since i started this tournament its the 1st ive ever entered.. im gona try my best to stay off the computer for at least 2 days.... if i fail you'll see me ranting about how im off to do the naraku lvls in the next few days xD how ever ill probably be in nightmare for a LONG TIME im gona get as many pages of dstones as i can and that could take a while since only 1 dstone drops from that panther per game and each game takes about 10 minutes... then it'll be off to HELLMODE! (hopefully ill get lucky re-rolling a 49-50 scroll xD)

before i go ill update my score! gime a minute i have to copy and past the code so ill edit it with the changes xD

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Player (Mod)         Character, Class     CL      SL      PP      MMC       MM      TOT
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Metro (ES)            Atlas, Barb       9400    7500   10000     6000      1.150  37835  RET
Al-T (Zy-El)          Andraste, Asn      894    8720   10000     3000      0.850  19222
AdmiralCrackbar(ES)   Chimera, Asn      8800    4700    6200        0      0.900  17730  RET
John11 (Zy-El)        Lyle, Barb         675   10000    5000        0      1.050  16459
czg (Zy-El)           Cawti, Asn        1149   10000    4000        0      0.950  14391
AngusT (Zy-El)        Ghorgh, Barb       407   10000    3000        0      0.950  12737
Beefy2 (Zy-El)        Dedication, Asn     52       0    1520        0      1.000   1572
Misfulness (ES)       Gimli, Barb        450     350       0        0      1.000    800
Freykin (ES)          Lenneth, Ama        25       0       0        0      1.000     25
Hans (Zy-El)          Sirenia, Sorc       12       0       0        0      1.000     12
maxmage (ES)          Goarator, Barb    3450    1700    3000     1000      0.950   8693

[JrEye]

Repost from ES Forums to keep tables current:

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Player (Mod)         Character, Class     CL      SL      PP      MMC       MM      TOT
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Metro (ES)            Atlas, Barb       9400    7500   10000     6000      1.150  37835  RET
Al-T (Zy-El)          Andraste, Asn      894    8720   10000     3000      0.850  19222
AdmiralCrackbar(ES)   Chimera, Asn      8800    4700    6200        0      0.900  17730  RET
John11 (Zy-El)        Lyle, Barb         675   10000    5000        0      1.050  16459
czg (Zy-El)           Cawti, Asn        1149   10000    4000        0      0.950  14391
AngusT (Zy-El)        Ghorgh, Barb       407   10000    3000        0      0.950  12737
maxmage (ES)          Goarator, Barb    3450    1700    3000     1000      0.950   8693
Beefy2 (Zy-El)        Dedication, Asn     52       0    1520        0      1.000   1572
Misfulness (ES)       Gimli, Barb        450     350       0        0      1.000    800
JrEye (Zy-El)         Jayarih, Pala        6      80       0        0      1.000     86
Freykin (ES)          Lenneth, Ama        25       0       0        0      1.000     25
Hans (Zy-El)          Sirenia, Sorc       12       0       0        0      1.000     12

Started my Zy El Paladin, assuming for PP that with the free hireling we just kill them off correct?

[czg]

Started my Zy El Paladin, assuming for PP that with the free hireling we just kill them off correct?

Correct, welcome aboard.

[JrEye]

thanks, found unless im really mobbed in Blood Moor I cant die lol. Prayer + +Mana after each kill keeps me topped lol

[czg]

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Player (Mod)         Character, Class     CL      SL      PP      MMC       MM      TOT
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Metro (ES)            Atlas, Barb       9400    7500   10000     6000      1.150  37835  RET
Al-T (Zy-El)          Andraste, Asn      894    8720   10000     3000      0.850  19222
AdmiralCrackbar(ES)   Chimera, Asn      8800    4700    6200        0      0.900  17730  RET
czg (Zy-El)           Cawti, Asn        1219   10000    4200        0      0.950  14648
John11 (Zy-El)        Lyle, Barb         675   10000    5000        0      1.050  16459
AngusT (Zy-El)        Ghorgh, Barb       407   10000    3000        0      0.950  12737
maxmage (ES)          Goarator, Barb    3450    1700    3000     1000      0.950   8693
Beefy2 (Zy-El)        Dedication, Asn     52       0    1520        0      1.000   1572
Misfulness (ES)       Gimli, Barb        450     350       0        0      1.000    800
JrEye (Zy-El)         Jayarih, Pala        6      80       0        0      1.000     86
Freykin (ES)          Lenneth, Ama        25       0       0        0      1.000     25
Hans (Zy-El)          Sirenia, Sorc       12       0       0        0      1.000     12

Act 1 Hell completed.

[Bucky433]

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Player (Mod)         Character, Class     CL      SL      PP      MMC       MM      TOT
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Metro (ES)            Atlas, Barb       9400    7500   10000     6000      1.150  37835  RET
Al-T (Zy-El)          Andraste, Asn      894    8720   10000     3000      0.850  19222
AdmiralCrackbar(ES)   Chimera, Asn      8800    4700    6200        0      0.900  17730  RET
czg (Zy-El)           Cawti, Asn        1219   10000    4200        0      0.950  14648
John11 (Zy-El)        Lyle, Barb         675   10000    5000        0      1.050  16459
AngusT (Zy-El)        Ghorgh, Barb       407   10000    3000        0      0.950  12737
maxmage (ES)          Goarator, Barb    3450    1700    3000     1000      0.950   8693
Beefy2 (Zy-El)        Dedication, Asn     52       0    1520        0      1.000   1572
Misfulness (ES)       Gimli, Barb        450     350       0        0      1.000    800
JrEye (Zy-El)         Jayarih, Pala        6      80       0        0      1.000     86
Freykin (ES)          Lenneth, Ama        25       0       0        0      1.000     25
Hans (Zy-El)          Sirenia, Sorc       12       0       0        0      1.000     12
Bucky433 (Zy-El)      Buckadin, Pala      18       0       0        0      1.000     18

So I am a long time player of Zy-el and ES mods and ive wanted a reason to start back up playing. This looks like it will be fun so i will give it a go. Making a paladin on Zy-el

[czg]

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Player (Mod)         Character, Class     CL      SL      PP      MMC       MM      TOT
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Metro (ES)            Atlas, Barb       9400    7500   10000     6000      1.150  37835  RET
Al-T (Zy-El)          Andraste, Asn      894    8720   10000     3000      0.850  19222
AdmiralCrackbar(ES)   Chimera, Asn      8800    4700    6200        0      0.900  17730  RET
czg (Zy-El)           Cawti, Asn        1474   10000    6000        0      0.950  16600
John11 (Zy-El)        Lyle, Barb         675   10000    5000        0      1.050  16459
AngusT (Zy-El)        Ghorgh, Barb       407   10000    3000        0      0.950  12737
maxmage (ES)          Goarator, Barb    3450    1700    3000     1000      0.950   8693
Beefy2 (Zy-El)        Dedication, Asn     52       0    1520        0      1.000   1572
Misfulness (ES)       Gimli, Barb        450     350       0        0      1.000    800
JrEye (Zy-El)         Jayarih, Pala        6      80       0        0      1.000     86
Freykin (ES)          Lenneth, Ama        25       0       0        0      1.000     25
Hans (Zy-El)          Sirenia, Sorc       12       0       0        0      1.000     12
Bucky433 (Zy-El)      Buckadin, Pala      18       0       0        0      1.000     18

Powered through acts 3 & 4, hit a sweet spot this evening on the river of flame and gained 148 levels while clearing it. On the minus side Dragon Talon has now stopped hitting things (despite LCS giving a 95% chance to hit) - fortunately both Phoenix Strike and the Kick attack both still work but I am starting to worry on that score.

[Al-T]

Wow. 1st December last year was my last post here

A lot has happened in real life which has meant I have been absent for so long. Unfortunately, this also means I no longer have the time to play major tournaments and am retiring Andraste from this one.

I will be able to play minor tournaments and have a couple of ideas for those so keep an eye out for a new mini in this forum in the next few weeks.

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Player (Mod)         Character, Class     CL      SL      PP      MMC       MM      TOT
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Metro (ES)            Atlas, Barb       9400    7500   10000     6000      1.150  37835  RET
Al-T (Zy-El)          Andraste, Asn      894    8720   10000     3000      0.850  19222  RET
AdmiralCrackbar(ES)   Chimera, Asn      8800    4700    6200        0      0.900  17730  RET
czg (Zy-El)           Cawti, Asn        1474   10000    6000        0      0.950  16600
John11 (Zy-El)        Lyle, Barb         675   10000    5000        0      1.050  16459
AngusT (Zy-El)        Ghorgh, Barb       407   10000    3000        0      0.950  12737
maxmage (ES)          Goarator, Barb    3450    1700    3000     1000      0.950   8693
Beefy2 (Zy-El)        Dedication, Asn     52       0    1520        0      1.000   1572
Misfulness (ES)       Gimli, Barb        450     350       0        0      1.000    800
JrEye (Zy-El)         Jayarih, Pala        6      80       0        0      1.000     86
Freykin (ES)          Lenneth, Ama        25       0       0        0      1.000     25
Hans (Zy-El)          Sirenia, Sorc       12       0       0        0      1.000     12
Bucky433 (Zy-El)      Buckadin, Pala      18       0       0        0      1.000     18

Chris: I never really use Dragon Talon. Dragon Claw and Phoenix Strike allied to Blade Shield I find good enough for most things and only occasionally use the other charge-up skills for tougher monsters.

I may have retired but this tournament will continue as long as people are playing it and posting occassionally so continued good luck to those of you still in this (nice to see you having a go JrEye).

[Hans]

Nice hearing from you Al.

[czg]

Chris: I never really use Dragon Talon. Dragon Claw and Phoenix Strike allied to Blade Shield I find good enough for most things and only occasionally use the other charge-up skills for tougher monsters.

I've now completed Act 5 and 150 levels on from my last post I'm starting to have real problems hitting things, Phoenix Strike still charges - but none of my normal attacks hit with any reliability any more so I can't release them - help!

[Al-T]

Check your Attack Rating. It may be too low or too high.

I just cranked up Andraste and my 10K Asn, Kali to check their stats and give you something to compare:

Andraste L919

Dragon Claw Level 218 AR: 883,120
Cobra Strike Level 218 AR: 1,096,120
Claws of Thunder Level 119 AR: 811,148
Blades of Ice Level 119 AR: 694,436
Phoenix Strike Level 218 AR: 1,098,065


Kali L10K (all martial skills are Level 199)

Dragon Claw AR: 8,341,216
Phoenix Strike AR: 10,366,637

The rest of her charge-up skills are also in the mid-millions (6-8) for AR.

Both Andraste and Kali have no problem at all hitting things in Hell apart from Immortals and Unique Chimeras, Mini-Diablos etc. as even with an AR maxed (approximately 22 million) you only get 7-10% chance to hit these critters depending on what they are.

[czg]

Check your Attack Rating. It may be too low or too high.

I just cranked up Andraste and my 10K Asn, Kali to check their stats and give you something to compare:

Andraste L919

Dragon Claw Level 218 AR: 883,120
Cobra Strike Level 218 AR: 1,096,120
Claws of Thunder Level 119 AR: 811,148
Blades of Ice Level 119 AR: 694,436
Phoenix Strike Level 218 AR: 1,098,065


Kali L10K (all martial skills are Level 199)

Dragon Claw AR: 8,341,216
Phoenix Strike AR: 10,366,637

The rest of her charge-up skills are also in the mid-millions (6-8) for AR.

Both Andraste and Kali have no problem at all hitting things in Hell apart from Immortals and Unique Chimeras, Mini-Diablos etc. as even with an AR maxed (approximately 22 million) you only get 7-10% chance to hit these critters depending on what they are.

Cawti Level 1760, dex 15,099

Finishing Moves:
Dragon Claw Level 459 AR: -16,232,114 (broken)
Dragon Talon Level 459 AR: -13,645,991 (broken)
Dragon Tail Level 459 AR: -20,182,659 (broken)
Dragon Flight Level 459 AR: -3,016,057 (not as broken as the above but not good)
Normal Attack AR: +13,501,501 (works OK)
Edit: Normal attack stops working in big packs (e.g. Stone Ghouls)

Charge up skills:
Cobra Strike Level 460 AR: -9,604,004 (works fine)
Claws of Thunder Level 459 AR: -9,589,724 (works fine)
Blades of Ice Level 459 AR: -16,158,892 (works fine)
Phoenix Strike Level 459 AR: -9,638,358 (works fine)

Nerfing my dex down to 8,000 doesn't seem to help. Any ideas?

[Hans]

You may want to try ignore target defence.

You may also want to try lower target defence.

The other option might be to create a mega jewel with a lot of AR.

Some monster do have a chance to block your attack.

When you are in big packs are the monsters hitting you. Are you using Claw Block with dual claws if so you might be getting interrupted in the attack and are blocking instead.

[czg]

You may want to try ignore target defence.

You may also want to try lower target defence.

I've already got ITD from Zy-El's Idea, how do I get lower target defence?

The other option might be to create a mega jewel with a lot of AR.

A lot of AR as a pose to a lot of Dex?
How much is a lot of AR in this context?

When you are in big packs are the monsters hitting you. Are you using Claw Block with dual claws if so you might be getting interrupted in the attack and are blocking instead.

Sounds reasonable, I am dual claw.

Cawti is now level 1979, has a dex of 16,700 and Dragon claw's AR is now -12,881,692 or a change of a little over 15,200 per level, at this rate I'll have zero AR for this skill in 842 levels time!

[Al-T]

What the heck are you using that gives such a high AR at such a low level?

If you are using the Angelics trick, ditch them and replace with a CtC Decrepify crafted ring and a ZyEl's Idea, Memory or Legacy ring and a Lament amulet.

That amount of AR should mean you hit things no problem in the normal areas of Hell (Blade Shield itself should be mincing critters). If you are fighting in the Hell Insanity levels you are probably "underlevelled" and need to go back to NM or normal and do some levelling there instead. Other than that I don't know why you should be having a problem.

[czg]

What the heck are you using that gives such a high AR at such a low level?

I decided to empty my stash, remove all my gear and add it back until it went too high - turns out I'd overdone the crafting of AR onto my belt - at +272595 to AR it was way too high. I've applied 3xFlawless and 1xStandard Emerald on the Full Rejuve reduction recipe and it is now a manageable +101935 which makes my total AR between 16 and 20 million for my favourite skills. Obviously I'll need to shave more off as my level goes up but at least I can manage it now.

...ditch them and replace with a CtC Decrepify crafted ring...

I need to think seriously about that, I've currently got a ctc Static Field crafted ring and a Destroyer Mega CHOM for the 20% ctc level 30 Amplify Damage - I suspect that the Destroyer Mega is distinctly sub-optimal.

Thanks for the suggestions Hans & Al.

[czg]

And time for a score update...

I'm finding that Worldstone Keep levels 2 and 3 are good for levelling at the moment - Ettins are worth almost a level each and the Dragons are OK too.

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Player (Mod)         Character, Class     CL      SL      PP      MMC       MM      TOT
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Metro (ES)            Atlas, Barb       9400    7500   10000     6000      1.150  37835  RET
Al-T (Zy-El)          Andraste, Asn      894    8720   10000     3000      0.850  19222  RET
czg (Zy-El)           Cawti, Asn        2798   10000    6000        0      0.950  17858
AdmiralCrackbar(ES)   Chimera, Asn      8800    4700    6200        0      0.900  17730  RET
czg (Zy-El)           Cawti, Asn        2798   10000    6000        0      0.950  17858
John11 (Zy-El)        Lyle, Barb         675   10000    5000        0      1.050  16459
AngusT (Zy-El)        Ghorgh, Barb       407   10000    3000        0      0.950  12737
maxmage (ES)          Goarator, Barb    3450    1700    3000     1000      0.950   8693
Beefy2 (Zy-El)        Dedication, Asn     52       0    1520        0      1.000   1572
Misfulness (ES)       Gimli, Barb        450     350       0        0      1.000    800
JrEye (Zy-El)         Jayarih, Pala        6      80       0        0      1.000     86
Freykin (ES)          Lenneth, Ama        25       0       0        0      1.000     25
Hans (Zy-El)          Sirenia, Sorc       12       0       0        0      1.000     12
Bucky433 (Zy-El)      Buckadin, Pala      18       0       0        0      1.000     18

[maxmage]

sorry guys im retiring. i finally broke under the pressure xD i wanted re allocate all my stats for my awesome barb really bad... so im retiring so i may do that xD its gona be so much fun xD im lvl 74 so i can mess around with 82 skill points xD (the other skill points are from the quests xD)

on top of that i can finaly get a side kick (merc) THANK GOODNESS (i love having a loyal side kick makes me feel good like a leader xD)

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Player (Mod)         Character, Class     CL      SL      PP      MMC       MM      TOT
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Metro (ES)            Atlas, Barb       9400    7500   10000     6000      1.150  37835  RET
Al-T (Zy-El)          Andraste, Asn      894    8720   10000     3000      0.850  19222  RET
czg (Zy-El)           Cawti, Asn        2798   10000    6000        0      0.950  17858
AdmiralCrackbar(ES)   Chimera, Asn      8800    4700    6200        0      0.900  17730  RET
czg (Zy-El)           Cawti, Asn        2798   10000    6000        0      0.950  17858
John11 (Zy-El)        Lyle, Barb         675   10000    5000        0      1.050  16459
AngusT (Zy-El)        Ghorgh, Barb       407   10000    3000        0      0.950  12737
maxmage (ES)          Goarator, Barb    3450    1700    3000     1000      0.950   8693 RET
Beefy2 (Zy-El)        Dedication, Asn     52       0    1520        0      1.000   1572
Misfulness (ES)       Gimli, Barb        450     350       0        0      1.000    800
JrEye (Zy-El)         Jayarih, Pala        6      80       0        0      1.000     86
Freykin (ES)          Lenneth, Ama        25       0       0        0      1.000     25
Hans (Zy-El)          Sirenia, Sorc       12       0       0        0      1.000     12
Bucky433 (Zy-El)      Buckadin, Pala      18       0       0        0      1.000     18

[czg]

sorry guys im retiring.

Sole survivor (yet again)

I've got bored of levelling at /p127 in hell and finally finished my 40k Lightning damage gem and unique gem collection, so it looks like time to take the plunge on the Minor Melee challenge...

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Player (Mod)         Character, Class     CL      SL      PP      MMC       MM      TOT
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Metro (ES)            Atlas, Barb       9400    7500   10000     6000      1.150  37835  RET
czg (Zy-El)           Cawti, Asn        4003   10000    6000        0      1.100  22003
Al-T (Zy-El)          Andraste, Asn      894    8720   10000     3000      0.850  19222  RET
AdmiralCrackbar(ES)   Chimera, Asn      8800    4700    6200        0      0.900  17730  RET
John11 (Zy-El)        Lyle, Barb         675   10000    5000        0      1.050  16459
AngusT (Zy-El)        Ghorgh, Barb       407   10000    3000        0      0.950  12737
maxmage (ES)          Goarator, Barb    3450    1700    3000     1000      0.950   8693 RET
Beefy2 (Zy-El)        Dedication, Asn     52       0    1520        0      1.000   1572
Misfulness (ES)       Gimli, Barb        450     350       0        0      1.000    800
JrEye (Zy-El)         Jayarih, Pala        6      80       0        0      1.000     86
Freykin (ES)          Lenneth, Ama        25       0       0        0      1.000     25
Hans (Zy-El)          Sirenia, Sorc       12       0       0        0      1.000     12
Bucky433 (Zy-El)      Buckadin, Pala      18       0       0        0      1.000     18

[czg]

Took an age (mostly to pick up 400 million gold and sundry plunder, not to kill the monsters) but Normal Killing Ground etc. is history which means I've completed the normal progress packs, no time for nightmare today, maybe tomorrow. Levelling was laughably slow compared to what I've become used to in hell. Life didn't noticably fall below it's normal six and a bit million at any stage.

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Player (Mod)         Character, Class     CL      SL      PP      MMC       MM      TOT
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Metro (ES)            Atlas, Barb       9400    7500   10000     6000      1.150  37835  RET
czg (Zy-El)           Cawti, Asn        4026   10000    7000        0      1.100  23128
Al-T (Zy-El)          Andraste, Asn      894    8720   10000     3000      0.850  19222  RET
AdmiralCrackbar(ES)   Chimera, Asn      8800    4700    6200        0      0.900  17730  RET
John11 (Zy-El)        Lyle, Barb         675   10000    5000        0      1.050  16459
AngusT (Zy-El)        Ghorgh, Barb       407   10000    3000        0      0.950  12737
maxmage (ES)          Goarator, Barb    3450    1700    3000     1000      0.950   8693 RET
Beefy2 (Zy-El)        Dedication, Asn     52       0    1520        0      1.000   1572
Misfulness (ES)       Gimli, Barb        450     350       0        0      1.000    800
JrEye (Zy-El)         Jayarih, Pala        6      80       0        0      1.000     86
Freykin (ES)          Lenneth, Ama        25       0       0        0      1.000     25
Hans (Zy-El)          Sirenia, Sorc       12       0       0        0      1.000     12
Bucky433 (Zy-El)      Buckadin, Pala      18       0       0        0      1.000     18

[czg]

Took an age (mostly to pick up 400 million gold and sundry plunder, not to kill the monsters) but Normal Killing Ground etc. is history which means I've completed the normal progress packs, no time for nightmare today, maybe tomorrow. Levelling was laughably slow compared to what I've become used to in hell. Life didn't noticably fall below it's normal six and a bit million at any stage.

Ditto for Nightmare and Hell, only with more gold and more time and progressively picking up less of the plunder as I ran out of evening. Got 283 levels for the Hell Clears, not bad for an evenings play.

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Player (Mod)         Character, Class     CL      SL      PP      MMC       MM      TOT
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Metro (ES)            Atlas, Barb       9400    7500   10000     6000      1.150  37835  RET
czg (Zy-El)           Cawti, Asn        4368   10000   10000     1000      1.100  27904
Al-T (Zy-El)          Andraste, Asn      894    8720   10000     3000      0.850  19222  RET
AdmiralCrackbar(ES)   Chimera, Asn      8800    4700    6200        0      0.900  17730  RET
John11 (Zy-El)        Lyle, Barb         675   10000    5000        0      1.050  16459
AngusT (Zy-El)        Ghorgh, Barb       407   10000    3000        0      0.950  12737
maxmage (ES)          Goarator, Barb    3450    1700    3000     1000      0.950   8693 RET
Beefy2 (Zy-El)        Dedication, Asn     52       0    1520        0      1.000   1572
Misfulness (ES)       Gimli, Barb        450     350       0        0      1.000    800
JrEye (Zy-El)         Jayarih, Pala        6      80       0        0      1.000     86
Freykin (ES)          Lenneth, Ama        25       0       0        0      1.000     25
Hans (Zy-El)          Sirenia, Sorc       12       0       0        0      1.000     12
Bucky433 (Zy-El)      Buckadin, Pala      18       0       0        0      1.000     18

[Al-T]

Really nice going Chris

I just wish I hadn't had to retire but I just don't have time for major tournaments these days

I will be able to play mini-tournaments and Hans and I are working together on one just now which will be a series of minis and scores will carry forward so at the end of the series it will have developed into a major. It'll take us a bit of time to sort out the rules and scoring as we intend to have the first 3, 4 or 5 of the series rulesets created before we start the 1st.